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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 11, 2020 19:39:59 GMT -5
I would like to propose a change to our position eligibility, to take effect immediately upon receiving enough “yes” votes.
I propose that we update the DL position to DL/EDR (Edge Rushers) to include not only interior lineman and 4-3 DEs, but to also include pass rushers in a 3-4 scheme, aka 3-4 OLBs.
As of now, the eligibility of a pass rusher can change from DL to LB, depending on what the scheme is. This means that each season, LMs have to go through every roster and make sure that 4-3 DEs are listed as DL and 3-4 guys are listed as LBs. This is time-consuming work, and there are often many gray areas where a depth chart on one site says DE and another says OLB, leading to judgment calls. This would help to get away from doing this every season, as these guys would now all be lumped in together as DL/EDR instead of split into DL and LB. Once we go through the initial change, we will not have to go through this again and again every offseason to make sure the positions are correct.
This would also help make their CDFL value reflect the real life value of premium pass rushers in the NFL, whereas currently, 4-3 guys are much more valuable in CDFL because they can be played in the DL spot. 3-4 guys like Von Miller or TJ Watt are some of the most valuable defensive players in the NFL, but because we have to slot them in at LB in CDFL, it decreases their value.
In the end, the roles of these guys are primarily one thing: getting to the QB. I think that we should reflect that in the CDFL by merging them all into one position as DL/EDR.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 17, 2020 10:43:05 GMT -5
Still looking for more votes on this.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 11:11:24 GMT -5
Bump. If we can get 1 more yes vote, then we this will be in place as we move into the FA draft.
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Post by Buffalo Bills (Salvatore) on Mar 28, 2020 12:16:38 GMT -5
Would we be able to start outside backer at linebacker still?
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 12:21:16 GMT -5
I’m not going to freak out if this gets passed, but GMs built their rosters based on the fact that pass rushing LBs are not very valuable so making this switch is just rewarding teams that are shitty at roster construction. It also devalues the really good DLs.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 12:23:26 GMT -5
Leaving it helps DLs and hurts OLBs. Switching it helps OLBs and hurts DLs. Seems like we should just leave it.
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Post by Carolina Panthers (Justin) on Mar 28, 2020 12:36:30 GMT -5
I’m not going to freak out if this gets passed, but GMs built their rosters based on the fact that pass rushing LBs are not very valuable so making this switch is just rewarding teams that are shitty at roster construction. It also devalues the really good DLs. Perfectly said. If this changes I feel owners should get free drops with no cap penalties |
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 13:46:43 GMT -5
Leaving it helps DLs and hurts OLBs. Switching it helps OLBs and hurts DLs. Seems like we should just leave it. I feel that I makes the DLs and OLBs equal, as they should be. It only seems like this would hurt 4-3 DEs because it is fixing an imbalance that makes them overvalued currently. I don’t see how this would give OLBs any sort of advantage over DEs, since it is just putting them together. Cameron Jordan should not be more valuable that TJ Watt, or vice versa. Having them be lumped together as edge rushers makes them equal, it does not make TJ Watt more valuable that Jordan, as you seem to be suggesting. It makes Watt for valuable than he currently is, yes, but that’s because he and other OLBs are so undervalued as it stands. |
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 14:09:17 GMT -5
This is simple economics. Supply and demand. What you’re proposing increases the supply of players eligible at the DL or edge position. Overnight cam Jordan would go from #1 at his position to #4 behind Watt, Barrett and Chandler. That means he has been devalued.
This isn’t really something you can dispute. It’s factual.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:25:49 GMT -5
I honestly think that most of the yes votes don’t really understand the full impact this will have on players and their rosters.
Now I do have a proposal of allowing these players to be granted the DL/LB positional setting. Doing so would allow GM’s the option of where to play said player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:29:15 GMT -5
Would we be able to start outside backer at linebacker still? Under this proposal all OLB’s in a 3-4 defense would be moved to DL position eligibility. So the answer is No |
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 14:31:10 GMT -5
This is simple economics. Supply and demand. What you’re proposing increases the supply of players eligible at the DL or edge position. Overnight cam Jordan would go from #1 at his position to #4 behind Watt, Barrett and Chandler. That means he has been devalued. This isn’t really something you can dispute. It’s factual. That’s because Watt, Barrett, and Chandler has more productive seasons than Jordan. So I would say that it would now be reflecting the true value for those guys, Jordan included, as opposed to Barrett leading the league in sacks and being the LB34(!!!) as he was last year. That is because he is locked into a position with inside linebackers who rack up tackles, as opposed to being in with other pass rushers who just happen to be in a 4-3 scheme. OLBs are being overshadowed because we are playing them at the wrong position. All pass rushers should be together in my opinion. |
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Post by Buffalo Bills (Salvatore) on Mar 28, 2020 14:42:47 GMT -5
Would we be able to start outside backer at linebacker still? Under this proposal all OLB’s in a 3-4 defense would be moved to DL position eligibility. So the answer is No Yeah that's a big no for me then . I didn't realize we were talking about actually changing this for the coming year. |
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Post by Buffalo Bills (Salvatore) on Mar 28, 2020 14:48:47 GMT -5
2 issues in my mind. For one it renders interior defensive lineman almost unownable and considerably thins out the number of eligible linebacker options. A position mind you that many teams already have issues finding any kind of depth at.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:56:12 GMT -5
Is there a deadline for this vote? Does majority win automatically?
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