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Post by Indianapolis Colts (J.R.) on Mar 28, 2020 14:58:52 GMT -5
Bump. If we can get 1 more yes vote, then we this will be in place as we move into the FA draft. Or if we get more NO votes like I did, we could kill this change.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 15:00:57 GMT -5
Is there a deadline for this vote? Does majority win automatically? Once a majority is reached either way. We haven’t had enough votes yet.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 15:11:54 GMT -5
If your rationale is that we’re fixing an imbalance then why don’t we go ahead and move slot TEs to WR while we’re at it? The logic is the exact same.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 15:13:07 GMT -5
Also could move box safeties to LB
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 15:23:45 GMT -5
If your rationale is that we’re fixing an imbalance then why don’t we go ahead and move slot TEs to WR while we’re at it? The logic is the exact same. Believe it or not, it’s ok to disagree with someone without sarcasm and smugness. I understand that it may not be a perfect solution, but if you have a better proposal, feel free to post that instead. If you think there is no way to improve on the current set up, I would disagree, but you’re well within your rights to feel that way.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 15:41:45 GMT -5
2 issues in my mind. For one it renders interior defensive lineman almost unownable and considerably thins out the number of eligible linebacker options. A position mind you that many teams already have issues finding any kind of depth at. I understand your point. I would say that yeah it would decrease interior DL usage, but they typically aren’t scoring enough points to be useful in our league anyway, so most interior guys are really poor options already. Those who are highly productive (Deforest Buckner, Grady Jarrett) will still be useful as DLs moving forward, even with this change. As far as the LB scarcity, I would say that most people aren’t relying on 3-4 OLBs as primary options at LB except maybe the top guys because they just don’t compete with inside LBs. As I mentioned earlier with Barrett, he led the league in sacks but was only LB 34 last year. I think his value is better reflected as a top 5 DL as opposed to that LB ranking. Even if this doesn’t pass, I still think we should come up with a way to address this imbalance, whether it be with LAR’s idea of dual eligibility for edge guys, or whether we should look to adjust the points awarded for sacks, to help these OLBs stack up with inside LBs’ scoring.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2020 15:57:19 GMT -5
Under this proposal all OLB’s in a 3-4 defense would be moved to DL position eligibility. So the answer is No Yeah that's a big no for me then . I didn't realize we were talking about actually changing this for the coming year. This is incorrect. It is possible to have an EDG position (I think that's how they list it) in Fantrax, as I told Trey this morning. However, would that be the best way? I'm not sure. The thing is, if this does pass, we aren't necessarily married to doing it the exact way that Jordan has proposed it to make it work. Whatever turns out to be the best and most-feasible way to get it done is what we'll use, and if we just simply find it too cumbersome or impossible to implement, we would not do so. But to be clear, what Trey is saying is a possibility, but far from the only way, and I do not think that is what Jordan is suggesting either.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 28, 2020 16:07:50 GMT -5
What’s the benefit of changing this rule?
If we’re just trying to make the LMs’ lives easier then I’m cool with that. If it’s because JAX opinion is that OLBs are undervalued then this seems like a waste of time. We’ve got plenty of opinions out there but we don’t change league rules for them all.
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Post by Buffalo Bills (Salvatore) on Mar 28, 2020 16:22:28 GMT -5
Why not just switch the dl position to dl/edge but then make outside rush backers as lb/edge? Then you can use them as lbs and as lineman. Kind of fixes one of the problems I brought up .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 16:24:12 GMT -5
If your rationale is that we’re fixing an imbalance then why don’t we go ahead and move slot TEs to WR while we’re at it? The logic is the exact same. Believe it or not, it’s ok to disagree with someone without sarcasm and smugness. I understand that it may not be a perfect solution, but if you have a better proposal, feel free to post that instead. If you think there is no way to improve on the current set up, I would disagree, but you’re well within your rights to feel that way. Well just because someone doesn’t agree with your idea doesn’t mean they are being smug. All he is simply pointing out is we could do this at other positions too, and simply it doesn’t make sense to make the change at this time
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2020 16:30:49 GMT -5
What’s the benefit of changing this rule? If we’re just trying to make the LMs’ lives easier then I’m cool with that. If it’s because JAX opinion is that OLBs are undervalued then this seems like a waste of time. We’ve got plenty of opinions out there but we don’t change league rules for them all. I don't think it makes the LMs lives easier TBH, but I think there's something to the idea that when we were discussing this back in the MFL days (If you want to call Mike yelling at us in all caps a discussion), football was different then than it is today. It is more positionless than it was even 5 years ago. And that's something I think this proposal would help to correct. Additionally, IF we try to figure out a way to do it, but then cannot, we just won't do it. We're not going to impose some unworkable system on the league, even if they vote for it.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2020 16:32:18 GMT -5
Why not just switch the dl position to dl/edge but then make outside rush backers as lb/edge? Then you can use them as lbs and as lineman. Kind of fixes one of the problems I brought up . I think there's a lot to what you're saying here. We can do something very similar to what you're saying here AND have it work on Fantrax, I think.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2020 16:34:14 GMT -5
Believe it or not, it’s ok to disagree with someone without sarcasm and smugness. I understand that it may not be a perfect solution, but if you have a better proposal, feel free to post that instead. If you think there is no way to improve on the current set up, I would disagree, but you’re well within your rights to feel that way. Well just because someone doesn’t agree with your idea doesn’t mean they are being smug. All he is simply pointing out is we could do this at other positions too, and simply it doesn’t make sense to make the change at this time You’re right. Generally I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. There are people, you included, who disagree with me, but I didn’t say all of you were being sarcastic or smug.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 16:36:18 GMT -5
Why not just switch the dl position to dl/edge but then make outside rush backers as lb/edge? Then you can use them as lbs and as lineman. Kind of fixes one of the problems I brought up . I said that earlier lol, when I said would could make these players eligible at dual positions DL/LB. So there would be no need to add the edge to those players or to DE players
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Post by Seattle Seahawks (Cecil) on Mar 28, 2020 20:19:46 GMT -5
Is there a deadline for this vote? Does majority win automatically? I don’t think a minor majority makes this a given change. This was not presented as this vote is for making the change. It is just being proposed at this point to see what people think of the idea. New ideas were presented and this needs to be explored further before we make permanent changes. If we get a majority then the exact details need to be made, then presented to the league for a vote. Before that happens other ideas need to be discussed as well.
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