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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 14, 2021 16:20:32 GMT -5
The TRC has been a point of contention for as long as I’ve been in the league, with many different interpretations of what the TRC is or should be, even among TRC members.
In my opinion, I don’t see the need for TRC approval on trades between veteran GMs. If you have proven to to be a competent GM and have shown commitment to the league, you should have the ability to run your team as you see fit, without having to have that approved.
I do understand that in a league this size with fairly complex rules, it can be overwhelming for a new GM, and they are typically met with trade offers almost immediately.
Instead of taking the full measure of removing the TRC completely, I propose we retain the TRC to vote on any and all trades involving NEW managers, but will no longer require votes for trades between veteran managers. This probationary period would last for one year after the new GM joins the league. If at that point, the GM has chosen to continue in the league, they will be considered a veteran owner.
Commissioner(s) reserve the right to investigate if collusion is expected, and cast the final judgement in those cases, but such instances would be extremely rare among veteran GMs.
All trades would still be posted in the Trade Review section, so that league managers can see the trade and adjust rosters accordingly, and to ensure that there is cap space, roster space, etc.
As of now, I feel that trades often take too long to be approved, and holds up the already tedious process of finalizing roster moves for league managers.
In addition, with something as subjective as fantasy football trades, when everything is guess work to a certain degree, I don’t feel we need gatekeepers for trades among GMs who have put in the time and effort of building their teams and shown that they are committed to continuing in the league.
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Post by Baltimore Ravens (Goose) on Mar 14, 2021 18:58:12 GMT -5
Well there has been alot of complaints about CHI and his trades so I do not see this situation being viable. I do see your point hough to get trades processed quicker when their is no question about the trade. I am not sure how you rectify that problem besides having a 10 peerson TRC and you need only 3 for or against for the trade to be approved\vetoed.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 15, 2021 7:46:54 GMT -5
As someone who has had many trades vetoed, I think it’s necessary to keep the TRC. Getting rid of the TRC would be great for me but bad for the league. We don’t want it getting more lopsided than it is now.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 15, 2021 8:23:09 GMT -5
As someone who has had many trades vetoed, I think it’s necessary to keep the TRC. Getting rid of the TRC would be great for me but bad for the league. We don’t want it getting more lopsided than it is now. That’s why I kept it for trades involving new owners, for a full year, as opposed to getting rid of it entirely.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 15, 2021 10:25:37 GMT -5
I’ve ripped off plenty of people who have been in this league longer than a year.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 15, 2021 18:43:46 GMT -5
Yeah, the one-year bit is rather arbitrary, I agree. But what is the alternative, other than just no TRC altogether (In this proposal). I think Jordan is trying to strike the balance between giving GMs more autonomy (Really full autonomy) over their rosters/teams, which I think we should have, and keeping guys from getting ripped off. The key to that balance is making sure that no one already in the league for more than a year needs handholding in deals, something Goose pointed out. I will continue to echo, that if a party has been in the league that long, and still don't understand the format (As evidenced by their moves/record), that it's probably time for them to move on, and to replace them with a more quality GM.
Re: the idea of having no TRC on its own, it's that, despite their best intentions, the TRC is wrong more than we'd like to admit--including me/my time on the TRC--and it's often not their fault. For one, they're only working with the information that they have at the time, and as we know, things rarely stay the same with time. What is a good deal for one team today could end up flipping the script from one year to the next, and then back again, depending on when you're evaluating it. Also, as humans, TRC members are subject to their individual and sometimes unconscious biases. While I think our TRC members have generally shown good judgment over the years, let's face it: their votes essentially represent their best guesses, as we all think we know how to value players/what will happen, and none of us are close to perfect. I have several trades in my past that were approved where I ripped someone off vs. ones that I've posted and have subsequently been vetoed or barely approved that have not been nearly as good for me, or have even resulted in me getting ripped off, and I know that experience isn't unique. As someone who's been on both sides of a bad deal, I'd rather have a deal that I feel is right for my team than have someone (Or a group of someones) tell me they disagree with it, and not allow me to make it, and I'm confident that 31 other GMs feel similarly about their rosters.
Frankly, if we trust our GMs to make moves on their own behalf (Which we do already in all except trades), the TRC only serves as an unnecessary roadblock to a GM constructing the roster that he or she wants, not only from an impediment to that GM/their vision, but also to deals getting voted on and processed in a timely manner. If we don't trust certain GMs to do that, well, then they should be purged from the league so that we can. Those are my two cents at least.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 15, 2021 22:18:07 GMT -5
Do you think the league will be more equitable if we make this change?
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 15, 2021 22:23:29 GMT -5
Also I would argue that the biggest problem with the TRC is inconsistent guidance from league management. At some points in time we’ve been told to rubber stamp trades and at other points we’ve been told to use our own judgment. Not to mention, that it seems like the LMs complain about the TRC more than anyone else.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 15, 2021 22:47:03 GMT -5
Also I would argue that the biggest problem with the TRC is inconsistent guidance from league management. At some points in time we’ve been told to rubber stamp trades and at other points we’ve been told to use our own judgment. Not to mention, that it seems like the LMs complain about the TRC more than anyone else. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the LMs provide any direction to the TRC, nor have I ever seen them use the term “rubber stamp.” If you could find such an instance, I’d definitely be interested in seeing it.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 15, 2021 22:48:19 GMT -5
Do you think the league will be more equitable if we make this change? Not if we have the current 32 GMs we presently have, no. If we improve a few of the outliers, I honestly don’t think it matters. Que sera, sera.
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 15, 2021 22:57:21 GMT -5
Do you think the league will be more equitable if we make this change? What’s your definition of equitable?
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Post by Houston Texans (Ryan) on Mar 16, 2021 10:12:04 GMT -5
Also I would argue that the biggest problem with the TRC is inconsistent guidance from league management. At some points in time we’ve been told to rubber stamp trades and at other points we’ve been told to use our own judgment. Not to mention, that it seems like the LMs complain about the TRC more than anyone else. Bingo.
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 16, 2021 12:21:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 13:26:18 GMT -5
If this is the concern/argument, why not go to a leaguewide 24 or 48 hour review. something like if 5 or more people raise a veto vote, it goes to a review?
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 16, 2021 16:15:13 GMT -5
Based on the votes we’re getting, it looks like the LMs have once again prioritized the rule changes that benefit them most, as opposed to the ones that the league wants to see.
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