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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2019 18:02:01 GMT -5
Before I cast my vote, would it be possible to get the rationale behind the trade from both parties? Just hoping to understand more,
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Post by Pittsburgh Steelers (Garrett) on Mar 28, 2019 18:29:57 GMT -5
I second this. Dont see any value going back to NYJ.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2019 18:37:29 GMT -5
Calm your tits guys, he needs to hit that accept button first. Also, I think this should be in Discussions. I’ll move it there.
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Post by Detroit Lions (Christian) on Mar 28, 2019 19:24:16 GMT -5
Jets Get: Chad Kelly (DEN-QB) $1/3y Redskins Get: ARI 2nd 2019 I accept with post There was no value for NYJ in this trade either. But it was approved anyway. Might be a trend. |
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Post by New York Jets (Travis) on Mar 28, 2019 19:50:46 GMT -5
Jets Get: Chad Kelly (DEN-QB) $1/3y Redskins Get: ARI 2nd 2019 I accept with post There was no value for NYJ in this trade either. But it was approved anyway. Might be a trend. There was value at the time as Kelly was looking like he was going to get starts over Keenum at that point. Of course he then showed up naked in a strangers living room and that trade turned out pretty bad for me. |
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2019 20:11:37 GMT -5
There was no value for NYJ in this trade either. But it was approved anyway. Might be a trend. There was value at the time as Kelly was looking like he was going to get starts over Keenum at that point. Of course he then showed up naked in a strangers living room and that trade turned out pretty bad for me. That second sentence may be the single-best thing ever posted in this league. |
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Post by Detroit Lions (Christian) on Mar 28, 2019 20:22:53 GMT -5
There was no value for NYJ in this trade either. But it was approved anyway. Might be a trend. There was value at the time as Kelly was looking like he was going to get starts over Keenum at that point. Of course he then showed up naked in a strangers living room and that trade turned out pretty bad for me. If you think that Chad Kelly was valuable enough to trade a 2nd for, you’ve proved exactly the point I was trying to make. |
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Post by New York Jets (Travis) on Mar 28, 2019 20:23:42 GMT -5
As for this current trade, here is my rationale:
I am about to lose a large chunk of my roster to free agency no matter what I do. So this deal is an effort to restock it with some young(ish) guys on cheaper long term deals who have breakout potential. Harris will be the starting SS is Minnesota and he performed very well in that role last season. Now that McKenzie is in Buffalo, he has a pathway to starting slot receiver and could be quite productive out of that spot. I am fully aware there is a lot of risk coming my way. But that doesn’t mean there is no value. And for a team that is looking at a rebuild, I think I probably need more cheap controllable upside than I do overpriced, aging middle of the pack receivers.
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Post by New York Jets (Travis) on Mar 28, 2019 20:25:32 GMT -5
There was value at the time as Kelly was looking like he was going to get starts over Keenum at that point. Of course he then showed up naked in a strangers living room and that trade turned out pretty bad for me. If you think that Chad Kelly was valuable enough to trade a 2nd for, you’ve proved exactly the point I was trying to make. Whatever man, I’m not trying to impress you. I was looking at losing my starting QB and had no back up. And looking at the cost of getting literally any other starting QB from someone, a second was the cheapest it got. |
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2019 20:30:59 GMT -5
There was no value for NYJ in this trade either. But it was approved anyway. Might be a trend. There was value at the time as Kelly was looking like he was going to get starts over Keenum at that point. Of course he then showed up naked in a strangers living room and that trade turned out pretty bad for me. Also, parallels to, "I woke up in a Japanese family's kitchen, and they would NOT stop screaming!" That's all I could think when this actually happened. |
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Post by Jacksonville Jaguars (Jordan) on Mar 28, 2019 20:35:46 GMT -5
As for this current trade, here is my rationale: I am about to lose a large chunk of my roster to free agency no matter what I do. So this deal is an effort to restock it with some young(ish) guys on cheaper long term deals who have breakout potential. Harris will be the starting SS is Minnesota and he performed very well in that role last season. Now that McKenzie is in Buffalo, he has a pathway to starting slot receiver and could be quite productive out of that spot. I am fully aware there is a lot of risk coming my way. But that doesn’t mean there is no value. And for a team that is looking at a rebuild, I think I probably need more cheap controllable upside than I do overpriced, aging middle of the pack receivers. Thanks for sharing. |
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Mar 28, 2019 21:09:19 GMT -5
Also, if I may offer my take: Clearly this isn't the best trade that has ever been posted, but also far from the worst (Including by some who questioned the value to this team, but have failed to raise such objections when they're the one on the perceived receiving end of the extra value). I will openly admit that I think I win this trade--otherwise, I wouldn't be doing it. But here are some factors: - NYJ contacted me re: the players he's receiving, so clearly he's interested in those specific players
- As he mentioned, he's not going to retain everyone via: re-signing, and would run into the same problem next year with these same 1y WRs with little ability to get even this much, if anything, should he roster them all year, with further inflated contracts
- NYJ told me that he thinks that he is headed for a rebuild, so he's looking for guys on longer contracts to do so
- We have gone back-and-forth on price for a couple of weeks now, with several different versions of this deal. He didn't want to do other parts that perhaps would've netted more overall value for him, but that's his choice, as he didn't want to part with the other players in question
- Originally, I was reluctant to include Harris, as I think he's in for a monster season next year, and was giddy that I was able to sign a starting SS so cheaply last season (As MIN can confirm). I told him what it would take to include him, and he agreed. If it's a veto, I'll be fine having him back.
- The contract is expensive, and I had to consider my cap flexibility seriously before doing it. Jeffrey has an injury history, and PHI's WR corps has been muddled over the last two years. So there is a non-zero risk for me in doing this. I'm effectively going all in and hoping this works for me, and if something happens to him, or if Wentz were to get hurt again, I don't think I have much chance of getting anything out of him on his current salary.
Anyway, just thought I would share those factors for the hope that you would consider them before making your decision. The TRC will decide what they decide, and I will accept it. Thanks for bringing up these important questions and doing your jobs.
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Post by Detroit Lions (Christian) on Mar 28, 2019 23:29:03 GMT -5
As for this current trade, here is my rationale: I am about to lose a large chunk of my roster to free agency no matter what I do. So this deal is an effort to restock it with some young(ish) guys on cheaper long term deals who have breakout potential. Harris will be the starting SS is Minnesota and he performed very well in that role last season. Now that McKenzie is in Buffalo, he has a pathway to starting slot receiver and could be quite productive out of that spot. I am fully aware there is a lot of risk coming my way. But that doesn’t mean there is no value. And for a team that is looking at a rebuild, I think I probably need more cheap controllable upside than I do overpriced, aging middle of the pack receivers. My intention isn't to ridicule you over the decisions you ultimately want, and believe to be the best decision for your team. So please don't take this as a shaming, but more of a helpful criticism. If the plan for your team included what you coin "looking at a rebuild," don't you think the ultimate time to cash in on Jeffrey might've been last year during either the off-season or in-season? Surely you could've got much more than what you're currently looking at as a return. I just doubt very seriously this helps you at all in the short term or the long term. Because it looks like the goal is to "restock" due to expiring contracts that aren't going to be extended, let's try to figure out another piece of this puzzle. If you value McKenzie that high, then why didn't you make a play for him in Waivers before CIN signed him on 12/20/2018? I doubt that today, of all days, you came to the conclusion that you think he could be in line to be the slot receiver for them in the future. You would've had to have that thought during the back half of the regular season. Why only during this time? Because the Bills were incompetent at WR, and McKenzie actually produced something for a few weeks. It wasn't much, but at least a glimmer of hope. However, I don't think that you could possibly have that opinion now of McKenzie. Why? They signed Beasley to a four year contract. They signed John Brown to a three year contract. And they still have Jones, Foster & McCloud. Also, not to mention that they can release him before June 1st of this year with absolutely no cap repercussions. So now begs the question, why didn't you consider signing him before CIN did? It's not like you didn't know you had expiring contracts. Why not just release one of those expiring contracts that you weren't going to extend to make room for literally anyone that you think could've helped "restock" your team? As far as Harris is concerned, we all know Chris loves him some PFF grades. Wouldn't you know it, Harris graded out pretty damn high for PFF after he came in when Sendejo got hurt. And I'm not here to argue otherwise against PFF, beause Harris did play really well. But I do find it odd that you'd be willing to take the risk on him continuing the production from last year on a long term basis. Why? Considering you said you were "looking at a rebuild," why would you want someone who isn't even guaranteed a spot past this year? Not saying they won't extend him, but it's odd that you would take that risk on him considering the unknown long term value. I can't approve or veto this trade. I can't tell you how to value the players on your current roster. I can't tell you who or what you should covet. But I will conclude by saying that I think you are severely underestimating the value of your players, and the current strength of your team. I advise the TRC to veto this trade, even though no one on the TRC asked for my guidance. |
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Post by Philadelphia Eagles (Andrew) on Mar 29, 2019 8:06:55 GMT -5
I didn’t read all the responses so forgive me if I’m repeating what someone else said, but I don’t see what the big deal is here. High dollar contract guys are worth almost nothing. They completely cripple a team and no one wants to trade for them. I had to hand Brady away for less than Chad Kelly fetched last year for the same reason. The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me is why NYJ extended him before trading Alston because he needed those years badly.
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Post by Detroit Lions (Christian) on Mar 29, 2019 13:22:36 GMT -5
I didn’t read all the responses so forgive me if I’m repeating what someone else said, but I don’t see what the big deal is here. High dollar contract guys are worth almost nothing. They completely cripple a team and no one wants to trade for them. I had to hand Brady away for less than Chad Kelly fetched last year for the same reason. The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me is why NYJ extended him before trading Alston because he needed those years badly. I understand that it’s difficult when you’re dealing with a contract like that, but it’s not like you can’t make it work. Hell, PIT literally turned Dez Bryant as a FA and his shitty contract into Christian Kirk. So it’s not impossible. |
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