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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Apr 20, 2018 20:16:38 GMT -5
I have voted veto, as I don't think this is better than the trade that was just vetoed (In fact I think it's worse). So in good conscience, I can't sign off on Travis not getting the best value for his player. The difference between T.J. Yeldon and Kenyan Drake a year ago was a little over 1 PPG, and this iteration doesn't include a 2nd Round rookie pick. I don't see the 1 PPG of extra value being worth him NOT getting an additional 2nd Round pick. Please PM me if you have any questions.
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Post by New York Jets (Travis) on Apr 20, 2018 20:25:18 GMT -5
There is a UFA 1st coming to me in this trade.
But I fail to see what bearing the PPG a year ago has now. Yeldon is still second fiddle to one of the top young work horse backs in the league. Drake was given the starting job last season and did very well. He is a high upside starting RB coming into this season.
But furthermore, you all seem to think the market for Hilton is blowing up right now. But these two deals have been about the best of what I have been getting. I have sent offers for more and been roundly rejected. At this point, if this trade doesn’t make the cut, I feel the TC should just tell me what they think I should receive. Because I felt this was fair and it accomplishes one of my offseason goals - acquiring another starting RB.
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Post by Cincinnati Bengals (Chris) on Apr 20, 2018 20:48:53 GMT -5
There is a UFA 1st coming to me in this trade. But I fail to see what bearing the PPG a year ago has now. Yeldon is still second fiddle to one of the top young work horse backs in the league. Drake was given the starting job last season and did very well. He is a high upside starting RB coming into this season. But furthermore, you all seem to think the market for Hilton is blowing up right now. But these two deals have been about the best of what I have been getting. I have sent offers for more and been roundly rejected. At this point, if this trade doesn’t make the cut, I feel the TC should just tell me what they think I should receive. Because I felt this was fair and it accomplishes one of my offseason goals - acquiring another starting RB. Last year’s PPG is relevant because it’s all we have to work with as far as his past pro production, other than that he was part of an RBBC last year, and it appears he will be this year again with the signing of Gore (Even if less so). It’s hard to project what anyone will do, and that’s why I generally stay away from the veto. In fact, I think this is my first non-procedural veto in two years. I don’t think this is altogether a terrible deal or anything like that, but on principle, I can’t approve a deal that I determine is worse than the deal you just posted with MIN (Even if you have no control over that). TRC members generally try to protect new GMs by not letting them lose trades, and as a former LM, I get that. But sometimes that can have a negative effect if the trade was okay/close to okay, by pushing an owner to chase deals to get rid of a guy. I don’t want you to get less value because the TRC pushed you there by vetoing a better trade. My personal opinion is that I disagree with the TRC’s judgment in this scenario, but it was each person’s decision to make for themselves. It’s not personal, just something that I have always subscribed to. |
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Post by New York Jets (Travis) on Apr 21, 2018 9:18:01 GMT -5
Last year’s PPG is relevant because it’s all we have to work with as far as his past pro production, other than that he was part of an RBBC last year, and it appears he will be this year again with the signing of Gore (Even if less so). If I can just argue this point one last time, there are a couple problems with this comparison to Yeldon. First, Yeldon only played in 10 games last season and of those 10 games, one was a huge 20+ point week. The rest of his weeks were fairly pedestrian for the most part, sometimes only getting 4-5 touches. So he had a smaller sample of games to average out his PPG and that was skewed by a massive outlier game. Where as Drake played in all 16 games, the first 6 of which he received 0 or 1 carry. Using his full season PPG is not telling the entire story and undercuts his current value. Which brings me to my next point: Even in an equal share RBBC like he was from Nov. 5th through Nov 26th, he averaged nearly 10.5 PPG. Once given the majority of the playing time on Dec. 3rd, he was the 8th best back in the league averaging 15.9 PPG over the final month of the season. He will be in a similar position this season as the lead back who's only real threat for touches at the moment is a 35 year old in the twilight of his career. At 24 years old, I think Miami will give him every chance to succeed as they are looking for young pieces to build around. I understand there is risk involved, but it surely a calculated risk to get in on a player who's stock is rising. And Hilton comes with his own risk, namely in form of a QB coming off a significant injury with no idea if he gets back to his previous level of production. And again, I have not received any offers that have been significantly better than this. Maybe its because I am new and everyone thinks they can take advantage, but I have not found the market to be what you all think it is. |
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